Thursday, September 11, 2008

 

Baptism questions

So, I'm nearly done with my study on the history of baptism (from 1000 BC to 35 AD). Here's the Reader's Digest version:

1. In John The Baptist's time, baptisms were done according to the Mikveh (or Mikvaot), which not only was performed with complete immersion, it also required complete nudity (in order for the water to fully drench every nook and cranny). All jewelry and bandages were to be removed also. Dreadlocks were a particular problem because some tight dreads could conceivably prevent the water from reaching every hair.

2. John was clear to point out that there would be another who would come who would revamp the whole baptism ritual and give eternal life through belief alone. Later writings by Paul state firmly that acts\deeds\rituals\etc do not save you. Only grace through faith alone [period]. One example of works he gives is the circumcision. Oh, how I wish he had addressed baptism also, but that wasn't the problem at the time. The point is clear though - just as circumcision doesn't make you a Jew, neither does any other outward work make you a Christian. According to the Bible. Disagree if you must, but you're not disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with the Bible.

3. Just like circumcision was when Paul circumcised Timothy. Paul didn't do it in an attempt at converting Timothy to Judaism. (That would be ridiculous by the way).

4. Baptism is reserved for conscious, willing participants. If we could suppose to have the sins forgiven for someone who was both not conscious of the activity of sprinkling water on them (like an infant) or unwillingly partaking (like a crying infant), then what would prevent the following?

What do you need for baptism according to some faiths? One, you need a participant - any regular person of any age with any degree of desire or lack of desire to be saved. Their involvement is merely consequential. Two, you need water, blessed by a holy person. Three, you need to somehow have this 'holy water' sprinkled over them in an act of 'baptism'.

Now, suppose the following. One, take everyone in a large area - say, the state of New York. Two, you wait for a large storm cloud to come overhead and you have a priest bless all the water in the cloud. Three, it rains, and every unknowing person who happens to get water sprinkled on them is now saved from their sins.

Think about it. The water comes directly from the heavens - you can't get more holy than water from heaven that has been blessed by a pious person. It's water (read Mana) from heaven for Pete's sake! (get it?)

5. Baptized or not baptized, that isn't really the question. In the same way Paul addressed the issue of "circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing", so must we realize the truth of "baptism of the heart". Has your heart truly been given to Christ? Are you saved? Born again according to the words that Jesus spoke? That's the crux of the question. If you think some act or deed is your ticket to heaven, then let the rain fall and splash around all you want. The way of ritual seems right to some men. Unfortunately though, the end thereof are the ways of death.

Having settled this in my heart, I sadly cannot continue onto the other studies I would wish to for reasons I won't go into here. I don't write this information on my blog in order to condemn anyone. I write it in order to help - or try to help - guide people who may have been mislead into various beliefs which are either not in the Bible or specifically against the Bible. Many people may read the above as an attack. It was presented as a teaching point (2 Tim 3:16).

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Comments:
#1. How are you, I am fine.

#2. Your "questions" don't seem to leave much room for answers. But here goes:

Read James 2 for something to chew on regarding your #2 Paragraph.

#3. Your #4 point: Where in the Bible does it say that Baptism is reserved for "consious willing participants" only after they have reached the age where they can decide for themselves?

The answer: Psst! The Bible doesn't say that. John Edward Colino said that.

But what Jesus says in the Bible is that Baptism is a condition for entering Heaven. He states this very clearly in John 3:5 and in Mark 16:16.

Don't believe Jesus? Why not check out what Peter had to say in Acts 2:38.

In Mark 10:14, Jesus does not say "do not hinder them after they have reached the age of reason," it says, "Let them come to me; do not hinder them."

Just as in the Old Covenant, parents decided to have their children circumcised until they reached an age where they could confirm the decision, we the New Testament parents decide for the child to be baptized until they reach the age where they can confirm the decision.

Now suppose a person of any age (infant or adult) is "baptized" in the generic way you mentioned in your example. That would be empty. In most places where I found Baptism in the Bible, it's usually coupled with a word like "faith" or "spirit." It would be wrong to baptize a child with no intention of bringing up the child in the faith. Many parents do this and it seems to mean nothing because they don't live the faith in their family life.

It is faith AND baptism that saves. (According to Jesus, now.) That is why we baptize our children with the full intention of teaching them the faith so that when they reach the age of reason, they can fully participate. It's just that the process is started much sooner. There is no such thing as "growing in baptism"; a person in either baptized or they are not. But there is such a thing as growing in faith.

Therefore, #1. Everyone in our family (our household) is baptized. (Just like the Bible says in Acts 16:15, 33 and 1 Cor 1:16.) And #2. Our family grows together in faith. Just like adults, as my children grow in reason and understanding and communication, so do they grow in faith, for as they are able to comprehend more and more, so can we teach them more and more.

Summery: (I know it's repedative, but these are the two main points):

Our family is Batized
and
Our family grows together in faith.

#4. Call me up and we'll get together. Haven't seen you for a while. We'll hit the town. Wine Women and Song! (Just kidding about the WW&S part.)
 
#5. In fact, come to think of it, look at 2 Timothy 3:15. (Not that it proves anything, but for what it's worth, it illustrates the attitude with which we move forward with our family.)
 
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