Wednesday, October 08, 2008
In Defense of Some
I'm not one to parrot what I've heard unless I've heard it from the voice in question itself. Well, I try not to be anyway - there's still this issue of the "Bear flag revolt of 1846" that I need to give up on with some people.
On another thread, I read something while researching the Vatican and the Pope, which I thought immediately alarming. As I investigated, however, I could not find enough evidence to say that the Catholic church ever said this about their leader.
I could neither find a copy of the Catholic National from July of 1895, nor could I find any such quote in the Vatican's website (my main source of all things Catholic). I have found lots of hateful websites posting the same quotes - and many others, but I couldn't find the source for these two. Authoritative sources, that is.
On another thread, I read something while researching the Vatican and the Pope, which I thought immediately alarming. As I investigated, however, I could not find enough evidence to say that the Catholic church ever said this about their leader.
“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” – Catholic National, July 1895
“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous.”
I could neither find a copy of the Catholic National from July of 1895, nor could I find any such quote in the Vatican's website (my main source of all things Catholic). I have found lots of hateful websites posting the same quotes - and many others, but I couldn't find the source for these two. Authoritative sources, that is.
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You know as well as I do that that's absurd. We certainly don't believe that the pope is God! Where did you find that anyway?
Actually, those two quotes and many other accusing statements are all over the Internet. But that's the trouble with the Internet, right? People can say anything they want and after enough people copy and paste, it becomes fact. It's called, "truthiness".
What I'm endeavoring to do is discover if the Catholic church ever said these things. Or, for that matter, if the church ever stated that the Pope has the power to alter the text of the Bible (additions or subtractions).
These are just things that I've heard, but don't believe until I can prove them with a Vatican source. It's called being a Berean, and a Berean Christian is what I am.
What I'm endeavoring to do is discover if the Catholic church ever said these things. Or, for that matter, if the church ever stated that the Pope has the power to alter the text of the Bible (additions or subtractions).
These are just things that I've heard, but don't believe until I can prove them with a Vatican source. It's called being a Berean, and a Berean Christian is what I am.
As far as I know, the Pope does not have the authority to alter the Bible. The only time that the early Church leaders ever decided what went in or stayed out of the Bible was when they were compiling the books of the New Testament. It wasn't until the time of Martin Luther that some books were purposefully taken out of the Old Testament for the "protestant" translations. (But that was certainly not done by the Church.) The books that were taken out were the ones not not originally found in the Hebrew text; they were found in the Greek text. (Since then, some of the Hebrew translations of these books have been discovered.) The chief reason that Martin Luther omited these books in his version of the Bible is believed to be because it simply taught doctrines that he didn't like. Other than that we will never really know.
In the New Testament, Jesus quotes the Hebrew text in 33 places. But he quotes the Greek text in 340 places. That's somewhere around 90%. My Bible includes all the books including the ones that Martin Luther threw away. I would much rather read a Bible translated from the one that Jesus used. I usually look for the Book Of Wisdom. If it's not there, I don't purchase it because it has been "tampered" with.
Hope that helps...
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In the New Testament, Jesus quotes the Hebrew text in 33 places. But he quotes the Greek text in 340 places. That's somewhere around 90%. My Bible includes all the books including the ones that Martin Luther threw away. I would much rather read a Bible translated from the one that Jesus used. I usually look for the Book Of Wisdom. If it's not there, I don't purchase it because it has been "tampered" with.
Hope that helps...
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